I'm Lonely ... I miss him - A LOT.

[dave 851]

please remove this thread

[Chavitte]

I don't take kindly to betrayal.......
Anyway, you don't need me...You have Smitty....
Oh don't forget to share this Post with him .

[cowboy]

I don't take kindly to betrayal.......
Anyway, you don't need me...You have Smitty....
Oh don't forget to share this Post with him .

CHAVITTE" just made my day brighter!!!..hahahahahaaaaa,,,rock on chavitte"""

[dave 851]

I don't take kindly to betrayal.......
Anyway, you don't need me...You have Smitty....
Oh don't forget to share this Post with him .

I have no idea that it is you that has posted the above. But I think it is..

You were never betrayed. That would be the last thing I would ever do.
I am far from perfect, I make mistakes, I make misjudgements, I misunderstand. But NEVER, betrayed. You never allowed me to fully explain. And you leave me with having to use "alternative" means of communication.

I will never lose hope that someday you will return. I dont have to repeat in this open forum details of our relationship and friendship. It is only because you always were a true friend ... that I cannot and will not lose hope of your return.

Need you? Is that the correct word? Perhaps. It implies dependancy. I told you and you know what's in my heart. Need is a strong word. I know that I am content with who and what I am. I can only handle one, two, perhaps three close relationships. I only have one other close relationship - but your friendship I admired and cherished. I didnt require anything else.

You know there is no need for this... I can understand your feelings. I can never promise I wont make mistakes again. I hope I can learn from them. But to just disappear like that...its a terrible hurt. I dont think I will ever get over it. Or you.

After the fact..yeah, I read back and saw some emails that detailed and explained your dislike for this other person who u think I have shared details about you, about us. But I didnt. It was all casual stuff. The stuff ppl mention - the same way they talk about the weather. However, in hindsight I should have been more careful. But to be honest. One or two of those emails to me regarding him. For some strange reason they went into an archive .. I never read them, saw them, until I did some searching after you had gone. It is the truth.

Look ... I hold no malice, or ill feelings, I never will. Oh I get pissed, its frustration and disbelief that you have actually gone. I just cant believe it.

Okay...I have left myself open for ridicule and abuse in chat now. I dont care. If this is what it takes to communicate with you. I dont care. I'd do anything. You are that important to me.

I dont know what else I can do or say ... I dont want to beg. You and me are way above that. So I appeal to all that makes you that fantastic person that I have grown to love as a true friend.

I miss feeling the breeze ... u have no idea. U have my addy. Use it. Please.

[Chavitte]

Do not trivialize our conversations by say that they are just like discussing the weather...And the very fact that you say that you cannot promise that you wont make the same mistake again, tells me that you are a habitual betrayer...

Furthermore, to discuss me with anyone is a violation of private ethics...I have watched you kissing bashie's ass...And you wear yourfriendship with him like a badge of honor...How misguided and pathetic is that ?

For a man your age, you have a great deal to learn about chatrooms and loyalty...

I hold no bad feelings towards you...I wish you the very best that life has to offer, but I have to tell you, that you will never have me as a part of that life... also, do yourself a favor....Stop giving your confidences to the guys like Smitty and Bashie...Why would you feel compelled to to associate yourself with people whose sole claim to fame is existing as individuals with a diminished capacity ?

The old adage rings true...Show me who your friends are and i'll show you what you are...

Oh, I do expect you to share this with others who don't come to the forum...

[dave 851]

Didnt expect a reply.

[Chavitte]

They just didn't posy it .

[dave 851]

I see I was misguided..perhaps a few other things.

Oh I am far from some of the things u say.

But who cares ...

You're nothing more than an email address.

Good BYe

[TheNiebur]

Strange so fast he went from being "the love of your life", to just an email address...

[dave 851]

Strange so fast he went from being "the love of your life", to just an email address...

Yes very interesting indeed.

I looked over this topic - I had earlier deleted the original posting, so I cant be sure - but I dont recall using the phrase: "...love of my life..." However, yes, he will always be that and much more. But you must understand it was and is love of a friend, not a lover.

We are both taken. We are both 'married'. So real life attachment and spousal love was never, ever part of our relationship. But in certain ways our relationship surpassed it...we were very close friends. I dont think anyone can really understand our relationship.

However he felt I had betrayed him because I sent an email to him, by mistake, that was addressed to a person he abhors. He regarded it, its contents, and assumed from it, that I had been saying things, sharing things, with this person which he detests - he regarded it all as betrayal of him. And by conjecture ( ...to conclude or suppose from grounds or evidence insufficient to ensure reliability. ) a betrayal of our friendship.

So...the posting that you are referring to was actually addressed to him and so I can understand how you might misunderstand the language and the meaning because it was really addressed to him. He would understand what I mean by ... you're only an email address, anyways ...

I said that because our means of communication, was an issue with me. And I think now, after some time for reflection, his privacy and his mystery and protection of his inner soul, may have in part been a significant factor in his decision to leave.

I think that at times I came near to seeing, to understanding and touching some of his hidden qualities ... I know I felt it. But!? :)

So ... I continue to hope that some day I will be forgiven, and he will return. I may be a sad and pathetic romantic. But I am what I am. He was always analytical and critical, even suspicious. He did not like some of those I associated with ... just look back at his comments. LOL.

He never really understood my adhd. I'm sure he still thinks that I use it as a crutch. But at the same time, knowing how he thinks, I can understand his misunderstanding of me.

His apparent elucidative admonition Show me who your friends are and i'll show you what you are... it troubles me and haunts me.

For now? I dont accept that it is a truism. It is a truism ... that he always thinks he knows best! :rolleyes:

chuckle ;)

[cowboy]

I dont know anything about ,,all that you 2 said ,did,,,and I dont really care dave,,,but one thing HE did say that is right,
a person is known by his friends,,,""
and you have to admit dave ,,,,,bashie, smity, are pedo's, ( and you yourself have seen it from thier own mouths, talking about under aged boys, and the sexual things,,etc, even you have told them to stop!
you hang with trash you look like trash""
dave I always thought you could be so much better then them.
but so far you have chosen not to see how hateful, controlling, spiteful and sick ,these pedos are.
well its your reputation,,,,do as you see fit,,,
just my thoughts,,,
cow,,
ps,,even Nemsis had more class,,then those 2

[dave 851]

I hear what you are saying... but at the same time...ppl are always telling me its chat. Meaning, its not real life, so - as I get reminded of - dont confuse the two.

So..I'm not going to address the concerns regarding pedos and 'birds of a feather'. I accept most ppl at face value.

And the pedo label? Come on now. Lets all try and be broad minded. You dont know, I dont know that!. Just because they SAY stuff. Does not mean it is so. And so what, if they like younger guys. Liking, looking, is not the same as contacting or doing. Which I know they dont.

But to sum up..its chat, and its not like we meet or are "friends" outside of the bgay chat room.

I enjoy their intelligence, I enjoy their wit and humor. And, not that is really is anyone elses concern but mine...they are good chat friends. And as u said, if it gets TOO MUCH, I mention it. But its chat. Its a freedom. Its not life.

I meet most, and talk to most, in chat, alone, as dave 851. Who I associate with shouldnt put anyones nose out of joint. Life is too short.

Regards
dave

[cowboy]

,,,its hard NOT to lable "pedos" when smity states.
boys under 16 have sexuall rights too"",,,
expain that ,and wut rights?
or bashie ,,,LIVING with a 15year old boy,,,his woe""
saying things like we all lay in bed" or woe showed his penis to bob,,
he was drunk, hahaha,, or woe sat on my lap and I fed him icecream etc,,
again dave cover it up all you like ,,,,defend them,,
there;s a differance between just chat,,,and sick conversations that those 2 think are normal,,,
so yeah dave ,,,,I can lable,,,
sad that you idolize those 2 so much,,,
just my opinion,,,,,

oh and btw,,,,how many guys have you met,,or tried to,,,and bashie has always,,come in-between of and chased away? theres a reason for that dave,,,,,he dont wanna lose his lap dog,,or else he only has smity left,,,
to talk to,,
if you think for one mimute that bashie is a true friend ,,,dave you are so far misguided,,,there;s no hope,,you have no idea,,,how many times bashie pvt's and says,,,your an idiot,,too many others,,
cant say I didnt warn you lonnnnnng time ago,,,,,remember?,,
enjoy,,,

[dave 851]

Just when we were being civil to each other... u have to start down this road again. I really dont care what u think of me or those I associate with. I think those that REALLY know me, know me. I'm not going to respond to what you have said. I've stated my case.

Please dont exaggerate things or embellish things. I dont idolize them. I dont support them or cover anything up. This forum should demonstrate that. And as far as what is and isnt permitted in chat. Its not for you or me to say.

Its news to me that anyone, especially bashie has chased anyone away!? But u seem to be very up todate on current events, with a good background in others activities and other stuff. Including some good quotes and verbatim from the "now history" bashie evenings in bgay.

You know in perspective...this is no better than the homophobic stuff from st8 guys years ago.

Im not saying what is right or what is wrong. Its chat. Not real life.

But I'm flattered over your continued concern for my chat well being. Thank you. But its okay.

So please move on to something else....

Take up your concerns directly with those concerned.

And have a good day.

[James]

Cowboy, cowboy, cowboy my sweet.......that particular issue has nothing to do with you dear. So leave it be dear.:)

[cowboy]

Just when we were being civil to each other... u have to start down this road again. I really dont care what u think of me or those I associate with. I think those that REALLY know me, know me. I'm not going to respond to what you have said. I've stated my case.

Please dont exaggerate things or embellish things. I dont idolize them. I dont support them or cover anything up. This forum should demonstrate that. And as far as what is and isnt permitted in chat. Its not for you or me to say.

Its news to me that anyone, especially bashie has chased anyone away!? But u seem to be very up todate on current events, with a good background in others activities and other stuff. Including some good quotes and verbatim from the "now history" bashie evenings in bgay.




You know in perspective...this is no better than the homophobic stuff from st8 guys years ago.

Im not saying what is right or what is wrong. Its chat. Not real life.

But I'm flattered over your continued concern for my chat well being. Thank you. But its okay.

So please move on to something else....

Take up your concerns directly with those concerned.

And have a good day.


,,isnt it funny how upset" you get many times,,,in room,,,( iF ITS NOT REAL life) as you state! guess you & nemsis were not real also eh? or do you have 2 sides, one for you and one for others,

I was just giving you my opinion,,,being "civil" like everyone else does,,
I dont and never have " made things up, or embellished dave , you just cant see the truth, you never can. I never said what is or isnt premitted, in chat, all I said was there's a difference between normal chat and talking about underaged kids sexually"
,,as long as you hang with trash dave others will think of you the same is all I was stating,, " nemsis quote 'you are judged by the people you hang with.'
,,,oh and as for your statement ""news to me,,,about bashie chasing ppl away"",,,,you liked nemmy,,,he didnt,,you liked a DS guy ,,he didnt,,
you liked richie he didnt ,,,must I go on??? just seeing a pattern here ???

enjoy dave oh and when your bored with the room,,,,and want more attention,,,just pop up with anyone seen cowboy & james,,,you know bashie loves to harp on that,,,so stir the pot on dave,,,your good at it,,"but its not real",,,,anyway,,,so dont get mad,,,,,hahaha

ps,,ask yourself dave when the last time james or I ever asked anyone on days,,,''WHERE'S DAVE?? OR EVEN TALKED ABOUT YOU,,see the differance?

[bashie]

You people really do need to get a life!

Perhaps your lives would be much better served if you went out and found gainful employment--instead of writing "wash-woman" comments in a gay forum-- and character assassination at that!

Shame on all of you!!!

[James]

Once again...I am going to ask you to keep out of this. Your name nor mine has not been brought up in this particular situation. This is none of our business. So leave it alone.

[cowboy]

Once again...I am going to ask you to keep out of this. Your name nor mine has not been brought up in this particular situation. This is none of our business. So leave it alone.

,,all I tried to point out is that nothing for dave will ever change, if he cant see wut most others do, about the so-called friends he keeps,
he says he's lonely,,yet he cant meet anyone new, with bashie there always interfearing and giving the person dave likes,, a hard time, ah well so be it, I tried.,,again
cow

[James]

No matter your reasons, you are still getting involved with something that is none of your business dear.

[dave 851]

I still miss u.

[dave 851]

a year - i still miss him

[cowboy]

a year - i still miss him

gee dave why call larry and others a pedo "" today in room and saying you sick of pedos in room,,(see my post before about that subject to you)
you even named smity,,,,,,as one
well well,,,,you can say sorry to me anytime,,,disagree'in about pedos and defending them when today you admitted it,
have a good day dave ,,,,,cow

[dave 851]

Cowboy, this topic is not the correct place for you to post your message to me regarding another topic.

However, in reply to your posting.

Why must u interfere? This has nothing to do with you. I see that you have reasoned that it does. Only because u interfered earlier because of your concern about who I associate with.

Who I associate with in chat, and to what degree I associate with them in chat, is up to me and me alone. And my reasons for associating are mine and mine alone. People are misguided if they think, or assume, they know me, because they see who I befriend, or associate. Unfortunate as it maybe...I understand that most people DO think they know me because of my friends or associates.

They dont.

I find it interesting just how well informed you are regarding "events" in chat. Your information - for the most part - is accurate. It almost seems first hand. If not first hand, your sources keep good notes. However, although your information regarding "events" seems accurate. Your assumptions and conclusions - in principle - are not as accurate.

I apologized to the person, and the room, regarding my outburst which has prompted your missive to me. The reasons for the outburst was a reaction to other events, other stresses, other "stuff" which really is none of your business.

And cowboy! I have done my best in this posting not to reply in a mean, nasty and petty manner. That being said ... this is really kinda 'poor sportsmanship' using this as a means of drawing attention to an issue that doesnt concern you.

[cowboy]

Cowboy, this topic is not the correct place for you to post your message to me regarding another topic.

However, in reply to your posting.

Why must u interfere? This has nothing to do with you. I see that you have reasoned that it does. Only because u interfered earlier because of your concern about who I associate with.

Who I associate with in chat, and to what degree I associate with them in chat, is up to me and me alone. And my reasons for associating are mine and mine alone. People are misguided if they think, or assume, they know me, because they see who I befriend, or associate. Unfortunate as it maybe...I understand that most people DO think they know me because of my friends or associates.

They dont.

I find it interesting just how well informed you are regarding "events" in chat. Your information - for the most part - is accurate. It almost seems first hand. If not first hand, your sources keep good notes. However, although your information regarding "events" seems accurate. Your assumptions and conclusions - in principle - are not as accurate.

I apologized to the person, and the room, regarding my outburst which has prompted your missive to me. The reasons for the outburst was a reaction to other events, other stresses, other "stuff" which really is none of your business.

And cowboy! I have done my best in this posting not to reply in a mean, nasty and petty manner. That being said ... this is really kinda 'poor sportsmanship' using this as a means of drawing attention to an issue that doesnt concern you.



DAVE the only reason I posted the "pedo subject" to you was in your post to me before this one, you stated that no smith wasnt a pedo,,,then in room you told larry when talking about kids,,," larry are you like Smith, ,,a pedo too?"",,is that ACCURATE ENOUGH FOR YOU NOW?
So I see its one answer to me and another to someone else,,thats all I wanted to know, or,maybe you have seen the light?
HAVE A GOOD DAY ,,

[dave 851]

Why must you get in the last word? It has nothing to do with you. And your posting to this topic is out of order.

[cowboy]

Why must you get in the last word? It has nothing to do with you. And your posting to this topic is out of order.

what the matter davie I was just asking why you stated 2 different comments""" cant cant explain your "condradictions?
have a good day""

[dave 851]

what the matter davie I was just asking why you stated 2 different comments""" cant cant explain your "condradictions?
have a good day""

Listen asshole. For once in your life. Fuck Off. U obviously cant take a hint, and its obviously your lifes hobby to fuck with others . Screw off. Its got nothing to do with you. And I'm not about to explain sweet dick all to the likes of you, u have nothing at all to do with this. Although the control freak in you - just wont allow you to move on.

Oh Have a Good Day.

PS Save the time and effort. I know your reply posting to this will be about my crude language etc. So save each of us time and effort, and move on. Sorry I had to revert to the lowest common language, because u apparently didnt understand any of the previous.

[dave 851]

And Stop Posting To This Topic. Post Anywhere Else . U Asshole.

[cowboy]

,,if chat isnt real as you say dave,,,
then why so mad? hahahahaaaa,,(another condratiction!!) lol

[cowboy]

guess I'll have to stop,,we dont want anyone to "GET upset" any longer,,lol

[dave 851]

guess I'll have to stop,,we dont want anyone to "GET upset" any longer,,lol

Thank You ! :rolleyes:

[dave 851]

Today is August 06.

One year ago today it started.

But nothing to celebrate.

[dave 851]

Hey, my birthday is Sunday. At the risk of sounding sentimental, turning back the clock a few months..so I can undo the biggest mistake of my life, would be a lovely present. But thats fairyland stuff...

It would be nice..if...u..contacted me. U can always disappear. U r good at it. LOL.

Come on! I know I screwed up, it wasnt intentional. Nor what u think it was. In retrospect, I didnt see the hints, I'm not as analytical as you. What can I say? I am sorry. I cant undo, I have learned. I havent changed.

Yeah, u were right. And I missed all the clues and suggestions. But whats done is done. I dont associate with that person. But I miss our association. It is within your ability, to forgive, if not forget. I hope you can do that..

Of course things wont be the same...only time will rebuild trust.

Think about ...

We connected. We were good friends. And that alone was, is something special. How can u erase it. I cant.

BTW - I was betrayed today. Now I know how u must have felt, I dont blame you for leaving.

[Unregistered]

I see the THREE stooges are still at it.

[dave 851]

I see the THREE stooges are still at it.

whatever...and your suggestion is what?

[dave 851]

To Lobotomy Candidate...thanks for talking to me the other day.

My email address is the same.

[dave 851]

All Bullshit

[dave 851]

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I'm dismantling my Nemmy shrine. The foundation was made of an inferior concrete and testing has verified that the cement was certified as meeting or exceeding the National Building Code (NBC-69-bgay/25) however the sand component was imported from Tarazona and proved to be inferior.

Demolition date has yet to be determined.

[cowboy]

:) Told ya so many many time :)

,,this advice comming from one who talks to a N"" in room and dont even know it,,day after day hahahaha

[dave 851]

Guys please create your own topic... firing shots across each others bows should not occur in here.

Infact..I'll create your own little topic, so u can duel it out. :D

[cowboy]

Fly,,,,away,,,,,little"",,,,boy,,, :)

Guys please create your own topic... firing shots across each others bows should not occur in here.

Infact..I'll create your own little topic, so u can duel it out. :D

hey dave do me a favour,,,,scroll up and see my post to the married guy & unregistered,,,,then see graham come ""out of the blue"" bitter and being a "spiteful child" to something that does"nt even concern him,,,
ok? ,,,,,,so pls direct your post to the cause" have a good day dave,,,see you in room,,lol

[dave 851]

I guess life's journey for me will be a solitary affair.

Perhaps it is the same for everyone.

Perhaps it has taken me 56 years to realize it.

I have my faults. I have my good points. I'm content with myself.

My curse is jealousy and despite my efforts it overwhelms me.

I seek others with a kind heart, a compassionate nature, a thirst for knowledge and wisdom. I want to share all that makes me the person that I am with that unique and wonderful person who has the same insatiable quest.

I will not be manipulated, controlled, inhibited by another person who I thought was so special. So special that they failed or lacked the ability or compassion to understand me. Whose obsession with privacy blinded them. Whose conceit leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I have made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes. I do learn from them. But it is my nature to love and to trust. I can and do forgive. I do care. I do desire.

I still cry .. I still laugh. I still hope .. I still dream. I still live .. I still reflect. I still long .. I still hurt. We are by design selfish. But we are also be design incomplete. Few find completion in their lives. But contentment can soothe the hurt, the ache that we find so deep in our chest.

I do not know what else to say, I am sure he does not get it or me. If he did none of this would be necessary. I am so open and trusting and he is so closed and protective. I think this has been the problem from the very beginning.

I remain a work-in-progress, incomplete and perhaps there is no one to compliment - never mind complete me. Perhaps I should settle for contentment and be resigned to finish my life's journey .. alone.

But then again ..... tomorrow is another day.

[Unregistered]

I guess life's journey for me will be a solitary affair.

Perhaps it is the same for everyone.

Perhaps it has taken me 56 years to realize it.

I have my faults. I have my good points. I'm content with myself.

My curse is jealousy and despite my efforts it overwhelms me.

I seek others with a kind heart, a compassionate nature, a thirst for knowledge and wisdom. I want to share all that makes me the person that I am with that unique and wonderful person who has the same insatiable quest.

I will not be manipulated, controlled, inhibited by another person who I thought was so special. So special that they failed or lacked the ability or compassion to understand me. Whose obsession with privacy blinded them. Whose conceit leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I have made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes. I do learn from them. But it is my nature to love and to trust. I can and do forgive. I do care. I do desire.

I still cry .. I still laugh. I still hope .. I still dream. I still live .. I still reflect. I still long .. I still hurt. We are by design selfish. But we are also be design incomplete. Few find completion in their lives. But contentment can soothe the hurt, the ache that we find so deep in our chest.

I do not know what else to say, I am sure he does not get it or me. If he did none of this would be necessary. I am so open and trusting and he is so closed and protective. I think this has been the problem from the very beginning.

I remain a work-in-progress, incomplete and perhaps there is no one to compliment - never mind complete me. Perhaps I should settle for contentment and be resigned to finish my life's journey .. alone.

But then again ..... tomorrow is another day.

Oh hi YAWN

[dave 851]

Unregistered...how typical. Get a life! Mine's fine. Obviously yours needs some tweaking.

[dave 851]

I think you read forums now and then. U took my addy, I dont have yours. So..the plan is, not to go into bgay for a while. Just so u know.

[-master bashie--]

Hey, Guy!

Why do you take everything so seriously?

This is suppose to be FUN in here!

I enjoy my hour and a half each night-- chatting with my friends! People who like me know when I am on-line and where and what time they might find me in the chatroom. Of course there are those who come in to annoy me-- I understand and can accept that-- it goes with the territory.

When I come across people whom I don't like (and there are many) I find that it is best to just put them on "redline" and ignore them-- and then I can enjoy the conversation with the many others. To become annoyed to the point of frustration is quite unnecessary and it is foolish. Life is way too short!

As I have said so many many times-- the people who are in the chatroom today will be long gone in a few months from now. The guys with whom we chatted a year ago, can no longer be found (unless they have changed user names--a definite possibility). However, one of the major benefits of this room, indeed of ANY chatroom, is that you can just "re-invent" yourself and come back as a completely different person/personality. It really does not matter all that much.

As for myself, I chose my cyber friends very carefully-- and then I tend to hold on to the "good people" and to omit the dudes who simply don't "work out" for me. My "staying" power seems to be quite good-- after all, I have been coming into the chatroom for almost three years now-- same time, same channel! Surely that must account for something! At least it proves that I am reliable.

Again-- try to have fun! Come in for some laughs! Try to make the "best" out of every situation. Don't take anything as a personal affont and try your best to "mellow" out a bit and get some entertainment value out of this enterprise.

In my own case, I look forward to chatting with friends for that short amount of time each evening! Lets ALL try to have a nice day!!!

[dave 851]

erased previous message... it was, too cold, live and let live.

[dave 851]

Thanks bashie..just found u r so called missing message. Not sure why I didnt see it previous. I think it might have been attached to a post rather than thread, lol. dave :eek:

[dave 851]

Its a new spring ... life renews itself...and my special friendship has once again blossomed. I dont care what anyone says. He's one very special guy, and I am so fortunate to be his friend.

[James]

Enjoy.....:)

[cowboy]

Enjoy.....:)

,,,and I wanna sing,,,,

"CHA CHA CHAIN ,,,CHAIN OF FOOLS"" ,,,lalala,,

looks at james ,,

wut? ,,,lol

[dave 851]

Well Cowboycowboyve5.gif (http://www.bgay.com/m/attachment.php?attachmentid=57&stc=1&d=1209909087) and Jamesrosebloom.gif (http://www.bgay.com/m/attachment.php?attachmentid=58&stc=1&d=1209909489) u r such a cool couple ... Did you ever consider a career in the gay comedy club circuit, lol.

[cowboy]

Well Cowboycowboyve5.gif (http://www.bgay.com/m/attachment.php?attachmentid=57&stc=1&d=1209909087) and Jamesrosebloom.gif (http://www.bgay.com/m/attachment.php?attachmentid=58&stc=1&d=1209909489) u r such a cool couple ... Did you ever consider a career in the gay comedy club circuit, lol.

davie poo,
dont you know by now,,1 "cheap plastic rose "wont get james,,,( try 9) hahahaha,,

[James]

Only you have what it takes little man...lol :)